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		<title>By: Kirby Olson</title>
		<link>http://www.shaviro.com/Blog/?p=641&#038;cpage=1#comment-42930</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirby Olson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 16:38:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>GE, interesting take.  I suppose it&#039;s difficult to decide since it depends which side you&#039;re on.

We could see either side then as protectionist in a sense.  Republicans as wanting to protect what the communists call &quot;privilege,&quot; and Democrats as wanting to protect what everybody calls &quot;Affirmative Action.&quot;

Hard to know who or what&#039;s affirmative in an objective sense.

I figure that Smith thought the &quot;invisible hand&quot; would work if everybody simply did whatever they wanted, as long as it was within the law.

Perhaps even these two &quot;takes,&quot; are an aspect of the invisible hand trying to tilt the system in their favor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>GE, interesting take.  I suppose it&#8217;s difficult to decide since it depends which side you&#8217;re on.</p>
<p>We could see either side then as protectionist in a sense.  Republicans as wanting to protect what the communists call &#8220;privilege,&#8221; and Democrats as wanting to protect what everybody calls &#8220;Affirmative Action.&#8221;</p>
<p>Hard to know who or what&#8217;s affirmative in an objective sense.</p>
<p>I figure that Smith thought the &#8220;invisible hand&#8221; would work if everybody simply did whatever they wanted, as long as it was within the law.</p>
<p>Perhaps even these two &#8220;takes,&#8221; are an aspect of the invisible hand trying to tilt the system in their favor.</p>
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		<title>By: Great Expectorator</title>
		<link>http://www.shaviro.com/Blog/?p=641&#038;cpage=1#comment-42927</link>
		<dc:creator>Great Expectorator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 02:11:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Republicans on the other hand want freedom of speech, but the Democrats want political correctness.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;ve always seen political correctness as a (Republican) right reaction to the desire of the left (Democrats) for equal opportunity. PC is not something Democrats want; it&#039;s a codification by the right of democratic demands.  An incident occurs perceived on the left as racist or sexist and the argument is pursued by identifying uses of language in the incident that may be a product of racist or sexist attitudes. The aim isn&#039;t to correct or police speech.  It is a matter of pointing out or highlighting entrenched attitudes that pose obstacles and are reflected by speech. The right interprets this as a challenge to a game of employing acceptable euphemisms instead of opening race and gender doors to enhance diversity.  Some people unwittingly get caught in the crossfire;  others abandon personal goals to avoid being targeted.  A few, often foolishly, try to exploit the conflict.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Republicans on the other hand want freedom of speech, but the Democrats want political correctness.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;ve always seen political correctness as a (Republican) right reaction to the desire of the left (Democrats) for equal opportunity. PC is not something Democrats want; it&#8217;s a codification by the right of democratic demands.  An incident occurs perceived on the left as racist or sexist and the argument is pursued by identifying uses of language in the incident that may be a product of racist or sexist attitudes. The aim isn&#8217;t to correct or police speech.  It is a matter of pointing out or highlighting entrenched attitudes that pose obstacles and are reflected by speech. The right interprets this as a challenge to a game of employing acceptable euphemisms instead of opening race and gender doors to enhance diversity.  Some people unwittingly get caught in the crossfire;  others abandon personal goals to avoid being targeted.  A few, often foolishly, try to exploit the conflict.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirby Olson</title>
		<link>http://www.shaviro.com/Blog/?p=641&#038;cpage=1#comment-42922</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirby Olson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 14:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KJM, you wrote:

Kirby - there’s a whole school of political philosophers emanating out of the contractarian tradition, most of whom are organized around Rawls (whether as expositor or detractor). Jeremy Waldron at NYU is a consistently enjoyable writer. A ton of other mainstream American political/legal thinkers exist, too: Martha Nussbaum at Chicago, Richard Posner, Michael Sandel at Harvard, and so on and so forth. Marxists and Deleuzians are definitely still minorities (quantitatively, in this respect) in the American academy.

I looked up these guys and all of them want to limit culture in some way, or so it seemed.  I want a completely libertarian/anarchist view of culture, and yet I would like to see free (but fair) trade.  That is, I want the intellectual world to be completely unfettered, and yet I want the economic world to be Smithian.  Aside from someone like James Madison, do we still have anybody who is for such things in American intellectual life?

It seems to me that Republicans in general want free trade, and the Democrats don&#039;t.

Republicans on the other hand want freedom of speech, but the Democrats want political correctness.

At least those are the broad streams, whereas of course there are many crosscurrents.

I&#039;d like a Smithian economics with Smith&#039;s caveats against shoddy goods (such as those Chinese toys soaked with lead that have been recalled).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KJM, you wrote:</p>
<p>Kirby &#8211; there’s a whole school of political philosophers emanating out of the contractarian tradition, most of whom are organized around Rawls (whether as expositor or detractor). Jeremy Waldron at NYU is a consistently enjoyable writer. A ton of other mainstream American political/legal thinkers exist, too: Martha Nussbaum at Chicago, Richard Posner, Michael Sandel at Harvard, and so on and so forth. Marxists and Deleuzians are definitely still minorities (quantitatively, in this respect) in the American academy.</p>
<p>I looked up these guys and all of them want to limit culture in some way, or so it seemed.  I want a completely libertarian/anarchist view of culture, and yet I would like to see free (but fair) trade.  That is, I want the intellectual world to be completely unfettered, and yet I want the economic world to be Smithian.  Aside from someone like James Madison, do we still have anybody who is for such things in American intellectual life?</p>
<p>It seems to me that Republicans in general want free trade, and the Democrats don&#8217;t.</p>
<p>Republicans on the other hand want freedom of speech, but the Democrats want political correctness.</p>
<p>At least those are the broad streams, whereas of course there are many crosscurrents.</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like a Smithian economics with Smith&#8217;s caveats against shoddy goods (such as those Chinese toys soaked with lead that have been recalled).</p>
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		<title>By: wayneandwax.com &#187; linkthink #439: Edward James Almost</title>
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		<dc:creator>wayneandwax.com &#187; linkthink #439: Edward James Almost</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Jun 2008 01:37:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The Pinocchio Theory » Blog Archive » The Body of Capital &#8220;Understood according to the order of first causes &#8230; capital is parasitic upon the labor of the multitude. But existentially and experientially, the situation is rather the reverse: we are parasites on the monstrous body of Capital.&#8221; (tags: marxism capitalism theory blogpost) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The Pinocchio Theory » Blog Archive » The Body of Capital &#8220;Understood according to the order of first causes &#8230; capital is parasitic upon the labor of the multitude. But existentially and experientially, the situation is rather the reverse: we are parasites on the monstrous body of Capital.&#8221; (tags: marxism capitalism theory blogpost) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Seven Red &#187; Waste Time! Talk! You&#8217;re at Work!</title>
		<link>http://www.shaviro.com/Blog/?p=641&#038;cpage=1#comment-42909</link>
		<dc:creator>Seven Red &#187; Waste Time! Talk! You&#8217;re at Work!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Jun 2008 04:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of social life (i.e., that real subsumption doesn&#8217;t structurally empower anybody, or that play becomes work rather than the reverse), Negri is still correct that work in such an arrangement is immeasurable from the perspective of [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of social life (i.e., that real subsumption doesn&#8217;t structurally empower anybody, or that play becomes work rather than the reverse), Negri is still correct that work in such an arrangement is immeasurable from the perspective of [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Kirby Olson</title>
		<link>http://www.shaviro.com/Blog/?p=641&#038;cpage=1#comment-42897</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirby Olson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 18:51:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, maybe you meant why don&#039;t I get NPR.  I live in the western Catskills in an area of rural mountains about twice the size of Rhode Island but only 40,000 inhabitants mostly in tiny tumble down villages with farmers and mechanics, and a few artists who&#039;ve left NYC.  The area is largely owned by the NYC water department.  They own about half the land, and are determined to get the rest.  Every time a farmer goes belly up, the NYC water dept. is there in a jiffy offering the widow a sizable sum in order to keep the land forever wild. So we&#039;ve actually been losing citizens since the year 1800, and we have more and more mountain lions and squirrels, and other monstrous bodies of that ILK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, maybe you meant why don&#8217;t I get NPR.  I live in the western Catskills in an area of rural mountains about twice the size of Rhode Island but only 40,000 inhabitants mostly in tiny tumble down villages with farmers and mechanics, and a few artists who&#8217;ve left NYC.  The area is largely owned by the NYC water department.  They own about half the land, and are determined to get the rest.  Every time a farmer goes belly up, the NYC water dept. is there in a jiffy offering the widow a sizable sum in order to keep the land forever wild. So we&#8217;ve actually been losing citizens since the year 1800, and we have more and more mountain lions and squirrels, and other monstrous bodies of that ILK.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirby Olson</title>
		<link>http://www.shaviro.com/Blog/?p=641&#038;cpage=1#comment-42891</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirby Olson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 00:25:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dreamduke, I don&#039;t know how sarcastically you meant this comment.  I was born in Clear Lake, Iowa where Billy Holly&#039;s plane crashed (I was born the same day).  However, I don&#039;t like music.

Kirby</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dreamduke, I don&#8217;t know how sarcastically you meant this comment.  I was born in Clear Lake, Iowa where Billy Holly&#8217;s plane crashed (I was born the same day).  However, I don&#8217;t like music.</p>
<p>Kirby</p>
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		<title>By: dreamduke</title>
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		<dc:creator>dreamduke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 22:24:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>where are you from kirby?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>where are you from kirby?</p>
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		<title>By: Kirby Olson</title>
		<link>http://www.shaviro.com/Blog/?p=641&#038;cpage=1#comment-42888</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirby Olson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 21:21:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Again, too, I like the French (I wrote my dissertation on Klossowski under Steve&#039;s direction). But perhaps it&#039;s my Lutheran upbringing, I don&#039;t know, I&#039;m very drawn to people like Raymond Aron, but find it rare that anyone takes him very seriously, even though he had ten times the mind of almost all the communists put together (one foot in the OT?).  He&#039;s sensible throughout, but I like this bit from the Opium of the Intellectuals, but I doubt if anybody reads that pleasant little book:


Communism is a degraded version of the Western message. It retains its ambition to conquer nature, to improve the lot of the humble, but it sacrifices what was and must remain the heart and soul of the unending human adventure: freedom of enquiry, freedom of controversy, freedom of criticism, and the vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Again, too, I like the French (I wrote my dissertation on Klossowski under Steve&#8217;s direction). But perhaps it&#8217;s my Lutheran upbringing, I don&#8217;t know, I&#8217;m very drawn to people like Raymond Aron, but find it rare that anyone takes him very seriously, even though he had ten times the mind of almost all the communists put together (one foot in the OT?).  He&#8217;s sensible throughout, but I like this bit from the Opium of the Intellectuals, but I doubt if anybody reads that pleasant little book:</p>
<p>Communism is a degraded version of the Western message. It retains its ambition to conquer nature, to improve the lot of the humble, but it sacrifices what was and must remain the heart and soul of the unending human adventure: freedom of enquiry, freedom of controversy, freedom of criticism, and the vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Kirby Olson</title>
		<link>http://www.shaviro.com/Blog/?p=641&#038;cpage=1#comment-42885</link>
		<dc:creator>Kirby Olson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 19:07:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I studied with Steve at the U. of Washington, and wrote a dissertation with him as the chair. I liked him: he was fair and insightful and kind.

But now I teach in a very rural area. Many of my students are farmers.  I just can&#039;t talk about Deleuze with them. They would all drop out.  So I&#039;m trying to find something a little more sensible and something within the American experience.  Perhaps Rawls and Rawlsians will help.

We don&#039;t even get NPR out here.  We don&#039;t even get Limbaugh.  You only get extreme Christian stations.  Not that anybody even turns on the radio.

And not that I mind the extreme Christian stations.

I just need a language that will make immediate sense to my students.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I studied with Steve at the U. of Washington, and wrote a dissertation with him as the chair. I liked him: he was fair and insightful and kind.</p>
<p>But now I teach in a very rural area. Many of my students are farmers.  I just can&#8217;t talk about Deleuze with them. They would all drop out.  So I&#8217;m trying to find something a little more sensible and something within the American experience.  Perhaps Rawls and Rawlsians will help.</p>
<p>We don&#8217;t even get NPR out here.  We don&#8217;t even get Limbaugh.  You only get extreme Christian stations.  Not that anybody even turns on the radio.</p>
<p>And not that I mind the extreme Christian stations.</p>
<p>I just need a language that will make immediate sense to my students.</p>
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